Did anyone Engineer a Caning?

In my last year at school in the 60’s I engineered a caning for myself it worked and I was rewarded with a real six of the best. Was anyone else driven to find out what it was like? or was it just me that realized I had the desire to be caned at the age of 15?

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Not exactly. If I got lines or detention I simply didn’t do them: knowing I’d be let off with the slipper instead. I supposed that counted as engineering a slippering so if I had been caned instead of slippered, it could be said that I’d engineered a caning.


I don’t think I would have thought of that argument. I have no real idea of how it would have been received but I think it’s just possible it might have succeeded – once. Detentions and lines were relatively rare. Most teachers just gave us the slipper for minor offenses – it was quick, simple, and got it all over with. The few times I got detention or lines, they were for the type of things I’d expect to get the slipper for. I don’t really know if, by imposing such punishments, the teacher was trying to be lenient or harsh. Probably the former but, certainly from my point of view, it was the latter. When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offense, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

If instead, I had been caned for it, the cost-benefit ratio would have changed so I might have had to rethink my strategy. It would only be the immediate severity of the punishment either. As it was, two or three with the slipper instead of an hour’s detention was an easy decision – the slipper of course. Two or three with the cane instead of an hour’s detention wouldn’t have made the decision much harder if the severity were the only consideration, but it wasn’t. Regardless of its severity, the cane was a “serious” punishment. Getting that would have indicated that failing to do lines or detention was viewed very seriously, much more seriously than the original offense. Luckily, the matter didn’t come up very often. If I misbehaved in class (and got caught of course) I usually just got the slipper which was fine by me.

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I certainly never wanted to be caned at school, once was enough, and virtually all canings were on the hand, especially in the latter years, so not much fun in that.I did get caned in Soho though. It required a great deal of Dutch courage, ie . at least six pints, before I paid a visit. I wasn’t at all sure whether she would agree to cane me, but she was quite happy to, for in fact a modest fee. Anyway, she really laid into me before I requested she stopped.One problem I had was that I was playing cricket the following day and I suppose I could have cried off injured, which would be true I suppose, but I wore long swimming trunks and got changed as quickly as possible. I could not of course have a shower as my backside was covered in weals, so I claimed I was meeting someone as soon as the game ended and made a quick getaway.

The marks had still not disappeared the following week, so this time I did cry off. It was the end of the season though so there was no more embarrassment on that score.

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I have no desire at all to experience corporal punishment. The thought of doing so doesn’t turn me on in the slightest.

And yet some people do enjoy the experience. I’ve never (knowingly) met a man who does, though clearly there are many who are willing to pay good money to do so. There was, indeed, a libel trial a couple of years ago when a sports entrepreneur successfully sued a Sunday newspaper for publicizing his involvement in such an event.

I have, though, met several women who genuinely enjoy these experiences, including two who were witnesses at that trial (one of whom is now a member of our hallowed PhD community). Interestingly, their attitude generally doesn’t seem to stem from having experienced CP at school, mostly because they’re too young to have done so. Instead, it seems that this has become part of their fantasy life from having read stories at a young age and wondering what it would be like. Most seem firmly opposed to school CP in real life, as opposed to adults acting out their fantasies in private.


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I’m surprised that your teachers were so prepared to overlook the fact that you hadn’t done lines or attended detention and just “agree” to slipper you instead with no other consequences. At my school, I think a refusal (in effect) to accept an imposed punishment would have been treated a bit more seriously rather than just having an equivalent punishment substituted.

If we look at it from the teacher’s point of view, she (or he) did treat it more seriously and didn’t simply impose an equivalent punishment. We need to consider why the teacher imposed lines or detention. In my eyes, either of those was more severe than the slipper and both can have long-term detrimental effects on a child’s education. In general, however, they’re considered soft options or “girls’ punishments” so the teacher probably imposed them to be lenient because, after all, I was only a girl. When I, in effect, refused to accept those punishments, the teacher decided to be more severe and give me the slipper. The teacher thought she was being harsher on me but, in fact, only gave me what I would have expected for whatever it was I was being punished for.

The closest it ever came to a teacher “agreeing” to slipper me instead was when I was given lines and, after asking “do I have to do them”, being warned I’d get the slipper if I didn’t. To save time, I just said “I may as well have it now then”. In that case, the slippering I got was actually less than I expected.

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It is quite impossible for a caning taken voluntarily as an adult to approximate to that taken as a child, at least as far as psychology is concerned. This applies as much to the persona administering the caning as the one receiving it. However, I think a case can be made for those with strong views on CP to have a taste of what they prescribe.

A few years back I had my hands strapped by a real ex-school teacher with a real ex-primary school strap. I found the punishment quite mild quite unlike my real experience at school decades earlier. I was unable to decide whether the straps had got a lot lighter or I had got a lot tougher. I suspect a mixture of the two. A small difference in the force of the stroke and the size of the target may change a stroke from just painful and non-wounding to very painful and wounding.

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Some of us have already had a taste. I agree though that those who advocate reintroducing the cane should have some idea of what it’s like but those who advocate non-corporal punishments should know what they can be like too. A friend who got a few detentions at school said they were “murder” but “at least we didn’t get the cane like the boys.” When I said that I didn’t think the cane was anything like as bad as she thought it was she, after some hesitation, asked for a demonstration. I gave her two firm strokes, much the same as I got at school, bent over a chair. She certainly yelped but, after a few minutes, when the worst of the sting had subsided, she asked “was that it?” As a result, she was quite angry that she had been given detentions at school when boys were let off with the cane or, more often, the slipper.

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When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offense, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

At our school as I’ve said before if you didn’t attend detention ( 3 hours on Saturday), you got the cane Tuesday, at first two strokes, under my friend Jackie’s regime. I hated detention and she knew when I earned one for failing to do some prep and lousing up my test mark as a result,I was unlikely to turn up. so she pressured me quite politely…..’ you might of course not attend…but I don’t think so. That would be disrespectful to me, and I don’t think you are that type of student…..’

Incidentally, the reason I hated detention as well as being a waste of time doing lines, was that the ‘regime’ was more closely controlled and often by staff you neither knew nor knew you. As a hyperactive student, I found this stressful and could easily find myself in conflict, in the tighter regime of control, than in ordinary class.

When visiting my old school this weekend I spoke to the Deputy’s head, now in the mixed school a woman. She told me she avoided this issue by not running a detention class, but putting each student ( minus the mobile phone) in a classroom alone to do there we work. she can set differential tasks that way, and even measure her intervention according to the character of the student. This takes away the unnecessary stress/embarrassment whilst being more targeted and therefore more effective. You can treat differently recidivists and those who are’ there but for the grace of God….’

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Long ago when, as an adult, we met a few students in one flat for an exam preparations, the owner of the flat started to play with the belt of his trousers, mean: he was belting the air.
I requested: let’s see how the British children fill, pushed my palm forward, and asked him to belt it.
He did it only once and I jumped around the room like a wounded animal for about 15 seconds and then it passed.

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Here in South Africa as a 19-year-old caught shoplifting in a bookshop and prosecuted I managed to “engineer” a caning. In those days and until fairly recently juvenile courts could impose a sentence of caning.
As a young prep school boy, I was in absolute dread of the cane. However, in senior school, I started to get quite a “taste” for the cane.
A sort of social worker come probationary officer was assigned to me and my case and I had to report to her weekly before my court appearance came up and for a period afterward.
I told her that I would not be wasting the court’s time by taking an Attorney which I could not afford and would be pleading guilty anyway. I suggested to her that rather than a fine for which I didn’t have the money, a court sentence of a caning would be appropriate. She agreed with me and asked me if I would like her to relay my wishes to the public prosecutor and I told her I would.
I then waited for my juvenile court appearance with apprehension and a degree of excitement.
My court appearance was very quick and after I had pleaded guilty the public prosecutor suggested to the magistrate that rather than being given a fine that I could not pay that I be given 7 cuts of the cane. The magistrate asked my social worker/probation officer if she thought this was appropriate and fully agreed it was. I was thus duly sentenced to 7 cuts.
After a medical examination by a district surgeon, I had to report to the local police station. My punishment was duly carried out in one of the holding cells laying on an inclined bench with my kidneys protected with a blanket and over the bared buttocks with a heavy rattan cane that had been soaked in a bucket of brine. It was a harrowing experience but not one that I regret. I do derive a mixed sense of absolute horror and excitement still today thinking of the experience and the whole ritual.

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The effects depend a lot on what’s used. A thin, whippy, cane stings a lot but doesn’t cause as much bruising as a thicker, stiffer, cane. The same would apply to a belt. What you got sounds similar to most of the classroom slipperings I got. It stings for a few seconds but quickly wears off. A really hard slippering can cause bruising and leave you sore for some time. My last caning at school left me sore for several days and the marks lasted about two weeks.

In my last year at school in the 60’s I engineered a caning for myself it worked and I was rewarded with a real six of the best. Was any one else driven to find out what it was like ? or was it just me that realised I had a desire to be caned at the age of 15 ?

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Not exactly. If I got lines or detention I simply didn’t do them: knowing I’d be let off with the slipper instead. I supposed that counts as engineering a slippering so, if I had been caned instead of slippered, it could be said that I’d engineered a caning.

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“Not exactly. If I got lines or detention I simply didn’t do them: knowing I’d be let off with the slipper instead. I supposed that counts as engineering a slippering so, if I had been caned instead of slippered, it could be said that I’d engineered a caning.”

So if, instead of being slippered after the umpteenth time of not attending detention, you’d suddenly been sent to the headmistress for a caning, do you think you could have pleaded entrapment due to an unusual and unwarranted departure from accepted custom and practice, and asked to do the detention instead? 

P.S. How do you manage to quote a previous poster using italics? I can’t see any way to do that.

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P.S. How do you manage to quote a previous poster using italics? I can’t see any way to do that.

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Hi neilfrommanc. I was interested to note your post above, and others have commented similarly in the past.

As I have never been caned but regularly pontificate here on matters of school CP I found myself, at the end of this exchange with my favourite sparring partner Willy, wondering whether I should take similar action. To my amazement nobody tried to persuade me!

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Hi Keith

LOL! I don’t think I would have thought of that argument. I have no real idea of how it would have been received but I think it’s just possible it might have succeeded – once. Detentions and lines were relatively rare. Most teachers just gave us the slipper for minor offences – it was quick, simple and got it all over with. The few times I got detention or lines, they were for the type of things I’d expect to get the slipper for. I don’t really know if, by imposing such punishments, the teacher was trying to be lenient or harsh. Probably the former but, certainly from my point of view, it was the latter. When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offence, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

If, instead, I had been caned for it, the cost-benefit ratio would have changed so I might have had to rethink my strategy. It would only be the immediate severity of the punishment either. As it was, two or three with the slipper instead of an hour’s detention was an easy decision – he slipper of course. Two or three with the cane instead of an hour’s detention wouldn’t have made the decision much harder if the severity were the only consideration, but it wasn’t. Regardless of its severity, the cane was a “serious” punishment. Getting that would have indicated that failing to do lines or detention was viewed very seriously, much more seriously than the original offence. Luckily, the matter didn’t come up very often. If I misbehaved in class (and got caught of course) I usually just got the slipper which was fine by me.

My most esteemed fellow contributor and friend, Another_Lurker, was quite correct – I have been busy today and I thank him for responding to your question in my absence.

I hope he won’t be offended but I should just like to add to the information in the links he provided.

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I certainly never wanted to be caned at school, once was enough, and virtually all canings were on the hand, especially in the latter years, so not much fun in that.

I did get caned in Soho though. It required a great deal of Dutch courage, ie . at least six pints, before I paid a visit. I wasn’t at all sure whether she would agree to cane me, but she was quite happy to , for in fact a modest fee. Anyway she really laid into me before I requested she stopped. Probably about 20 strokes on the bare.

One problem I had was that I was playing cricket the following day and I suppose I could have cried off injured , which would be true I suppose, but I wore long swimming trunks and got changed as quickly as possible. I could not of course have a shower as my backside was covered in weals, so I claimed I was meeting someone as soon as the game ended and made a quick getaway.

The marks had still not disappeared the following week , so this time I did cry off. It was the end of the season though so there was no more embarrassment on that score.

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I’m with Another_Lurker on this one: I have no desire at all to experience corporal punishment. The thought of doing so doesn’t turn me on in the slightest.

And yet some people do enjoy the experience. I’ve never (knowingly) met a man who does, though clearly there are many who are willing to pay good money to do so. There was, indeed, a libel trial a couple of years ago when a sports entrepreneur successfully sued a Sunday newspaper for publicising his involvement in such an event.

I have, though, met several women who genuinely enjoy these experiences, including two who were witnesses at that trial (one of whom is now a member of our hallowed PhD community). Interestingly, their attitude generally doesn’t seem to stem from having experienced CP at school, mostly because they’re too young to have done so. Instead it seems that this has become part of their fantasy life from having read stories at a young age and wondering what it would be like. Most seem firmly opposed to school CP in real life, as opposed to adults acting out their fantasies in private.


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I’m surprised that your teachers were so prepared to overlook the fact that you hadn’t done lines or attended detention and just “agree” to slipper you instead with no other consequences. At my school, I think a refusal (in effect) to accept an imposed punishment would have been treated a bit more seriously rather than just having an equivalent punishment substituted.

If we look at it from the teacher’s point of view, she (or he) did treat it more seriously and didn’t simply impose an equivalent punishment. We need to consider why the teacher imposed lines or detention. In my eyes, either of those were more severe than the slipper and both can have long term detrimental effects on a child’s education. In general, however, they’re considered soft options or “girls’ punishments” so the teacher probably imposed them to be lenient because, after all, I was only a girl. When I, in effect, refused to accept those punishments, the teacher decided to be more severe and give me the slipper. The teacher thought she was being harsher on me but, in fact, only gave me what I would have expected for whatever it was I was being punished for.

The closest it ever came to a teacher “agreeing” to slipper me instead was when I was given lines and, after asking “do I have to do them”, being warned I’d get the slipper if I didn’t. To save time, I just said “I may as well have it now then”. In that case, the slippering I got was actually less than I expected.

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As I have never been caned but regularly pontificate here on matters of school CP I found myself, at the end of this exchange with my favourite sparring partner Willy, wondering whether I should take similar action. To my amazement nobody tried to persuade me!

Yes, this was surprising. I surmise the opportunity was lost amongst the volume of postings.

It is quite impossible for a caning taken voluntarily as an adult to approximate to that taken as a child, at least as far as the psychology is concerned. This applies as much to the caner as the canee. However, I think a case can be made for those with strong views on CP having a taste of what they prescribe.

A few years back I had my hands strapped by a real ex-school teacher with a real ex primary school strap. I found the punishment quite mild quite unlike my real experience at school decades earlier. I was unable to decide whether straps had got a lot lighter or I had got a lot tougher. I suspect a mixture of the two. A small difference in the force of the stroke and the size of target may change a stroke from just painful and non-wounding to very painful and wounding.

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Some of us have already had a taste.  I agree though that those who advocate reintroducing the cane should have some idea of what it’s like but those who advocate non-corporal punishments should know what they can be like too. A friend who got a few detentions at school said they were “murder” but “at least we didn’t get the cane like the boys.” When I said that I didn’t think the cane was as anything like as bad as she thought it was she, after some hesitation, asked for a demonstration. I gave her two firm strokes, much the same as I got at school, bent over a chair. She certainly yelped but, after a few minutes, when the worst of the sting had subsided, she asked “was that it?” As a result, she was quite angry that she had been given detentions at school when boys were let off with the cane or, more often, the slipper.

Now, as you said, there’s a difference between taking it voluntarily and being forced to submit to it at school: but the same applies to other punishments.

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When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offense, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

At our school as I’ve said before if you didn’t attend detention ( 3 hours on Saturday), you got the cane Tuesday, at first two strokes, under my friend Jackie’s regime. I hated detention and she knew when I earned one for failing to do some prep and lousing up my test mark as a result,I was unlikely to turn up. so she pressured me quite politely…..’ you might of course not attend…but I don’t think so. That would be disrespectful to me, and I don’t think you are that type of student…..’

Incidentally, the reason I hated detention as well as being a waste of time doing lines, was that the ‘regime’ was more closely controlled and often by staff you neither knew nor knew you. As a hyperactive student, I found this stressful and could easily find myself in conflict, in the tighter regime of control, than in ordinary class.

When visiting my old school this weekend I spoke to the Deputy’s head, now in the mixed school a woman. She told me she avoided this issue by not running a detention class, but putting each student ( minus mobile phone) in a classroom alone to do there we work. she can set differential tasks that way, and even measure her intervention according to the character of the student. This takes away the unnecessary stress/embarrassment whilst being more targeted and therefore more effective. You can treat differently recidivists and those who are’ there but for the grace of God….’

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Small story about this issue:
Long ago when, as an adult, we met few students in one flat for an exam preparations, the owner of the flat started to play with his trousers belt, mean: he was belting the air.
I requested: let’s see how the British children fill, pushed my palm forward and asked him to belt it.
He did it only once and I jumped around the room like a wounded animal for about 15 seconds and then it passed.
From the stories I red here, I tasted it in a very soft way (one minute and I felt nothing at all, comparing for few hours in Scotland or few days with bruises after caning in England or Australia).
Did I miss something?
As an adult, after 3 years service in the IDF as infantry soldier, British children (boys & girls) are tougher then me?

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Here in South Africa as a 19-year-old caught shoplifting in a bookshop and prosecuted I managed to “engineer” a caning. In those days and until fairly recently juvenile courts could impose a sentence of caning.
As a young prep school boy I was in absolute dread of the cane. However, in senior school, I started to get quite a “taste” for the cane.
A sort of social worker come probationary officer was assigned to me and my case and I had to report to her weekly before my court appearance came up and for a period afterward.
I told her that I would not be wasting the court’s time by taking an Attorney which I could not afford and would be pleading guilty anyway. I suggested to her that rather than a fine for which I didn’t have the money, a court sentence of a caning would be appropriate. She agreed with me and asked me if I would like her to relay my wishes to the public prosecutor and I told her I would.
I then waited for my juvenile court appearance with apprehension and a degree of excitement.
My court appearance was very quick and after I had pleaded guilty the public prosecutor suggested to the magistrate that rather than being given a fine that I could not pay that I be given 7 cuts of the cane. The magistrate asked my social worker/probation officer if she thought this was appropriate and fully agreed it was. I was thus duly sentenced to 7 cuts.
After a medical examination by a district surgeon, I had to report to the local police station. My punishment was duly carried out in one of the holding cells laying on an inclined bench with my kidneys protected with a blanket and over the bared buttocks with a heavy rattan cane that had been soaked in a bucket of brine. It was a harrowing experience but not one that I regret. I do derive a mixed sense of absolute horror and excitement still today thinking of the experience and the whole ritual.

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The effects depend a lot on what’s used. A thin, whippy, cane stings a lot but doesn’t cause as much bruising as a thicker, stiffer, cane. The same would apply to a belt. What you got sounds similar to most of the classroom slipperings I got. It stings for a few seconds but quickly wears off. A really hard slippering can cause bruising and leave you sore for some time. My last caning at school left me sore for several days and the marks lasted about two weeks.

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I engineered a caning when I was kept behind for after-school detention. There were five of us in detention and I was in detention for being late to lessons without a valid excuse or note from another teacher. I was caught passing a note to a girl in detention and I was sent to the English master by the mistress on detention duty.

The English master kept me waiting for about fifteen minutes and brought his cane into the hallway and gave me six strokes. The sound of the cane striking my buttocks was loud enough that the others in detention could hear me being caned. In addition to the caning, I received an additional four days of after-school detention and 150 lines to write each afternoon. I was also spanked and lost privileges at home for two weeks. On my last day of detention, two girls were sent to the Senior mistress for being late for detention and they were caned by the Senior mistress, we could tell they had been caned as one girl had tears in her eyes, they were both wincing and they eased their bottoms into the chairs upon their return to detention

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No – of course not – it was far too painful an experience for that. But I confess to a mixture of dread and excitement. In my young teens a caning was something to be avoided at all costs – one or two visits to our housemaster’s study were enough. However, as I got older the ‘excitement’ bit began to kick in and as a consequence, we were by no means as careful with the rules as we should have been. Often the ‘crime’ was shared with other boys and we were beaten together – I began to understand why being caned, especially on the bare, was not a complete disaster.

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Our Primary School teacher Mr. Kissack in 2b used the cane on his pupils, but since we were only about 9 then he never caned very hard, more like two firm taps. I was the only boy in the reading group that had not been caned, They the reading group, engineered together, that I should be caned, They told Mr. Kissack that I had not been keeping up with the group. I was called out to the front of the class and the dreaded words were said to bend over and touch your toes. I did so and a few seconds later I heard a click noise as the cane landed on my bottom and I felt a slight sting then seconds later the second stoke landed to the same sound and a slight sting again He said punishment over up you get.

When I went back to the group I became one of the gang and a fuss was made of me, It must have been a delayed reaction as my bottom started to sting for a few seconds but soon wore off. Mr Kissick caned both boys and girls in the class the same way.

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I had a Mr Lawrence in grade 6, Mr Lawrence kept his cane hanging by its crook handle from a brass hook next to the blackboard. Mr Lawrence called me to the front of the classroom to cane me for passing a note to my friend as Mr Lawrence had us in a boy-girl seating arrangement. When I bent over I thought that he was going to put a lot of effort into my punishment. He gave me three strokes but they were lighter than I expected and my bottom was stinging for about five minutes afterward. I heard some giggling when the first stroke landed and after my punishment two girls were caned as well. He was a firm but fair teacher and out of all of my teachers I respected him more than the others.

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I engineered a caning when I was kept behind for after-school detention. There were five of us in detention and I was in detention for being late to lessons without a valid excuse or note from another teacher. I was caught passing a note to a girl in detention and I was sent to the English master by the mistress on detention duty.

The English master kept me waiting for about fifteen minutes and brought his cane into the hallway and gave me six strokes. The sound of the cane striking my buttocks was loud enough that the others in detention could hear me being caned. In addition to the caning, I received an additional four days of after-school detention and 150 lines to write each afternoon. I was also spanked and lost privileges at home for two weeks. On my last day of detention, two girls were sent to the Senior mistress for being late for detention and they were caned by the Senior mistress, we could tell they had been caned as one girl had tears in her eyes, they were both wincing and they eased their bottoms into the chairs upon their return to detention

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No – of course not – it was far too painful an experience for that. But I confess to a mixture of dread and excitement. In my young teens a caning was something to be avoided at all costs – one or two visits to our housemaster’s study were enough. However, as I got older the ‘excitement’ bit began to kick in and as a consequence, we were by no means as careful with the rules as we should have been. Often the ‘crime’ was shared with other boys and we were beaten together – I began to understand why being caned, especially on the bare, was not a complete disaster.

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Our Primary School teacher Mr. Kissack in 2b used the cane on his pupils, but since we were only about 9 then he never caned very hard, more like two firm taps. I was the only boy in the reading group that had not been caned, They the reading group, engineered together, that I should be caned, They told Mr. Kissack that I had not been keeping up with the group. I was called out to the front of the class and the dreaded words were said to bend over and touch your toes. I did so and a few seconds later I heard a clicking noise as the cane landed on my bottom and I felt a slight sting then seconds later the second stoke landed to the same sound and a slight sting again He said punishment over up you get.

When I went back to the group I became one of the gang and a fuss was made of me, It must have been a delayed reaction as my bottom started to sting for a few seconds but soon wore off. Mr Kissick caned both boys and girls in the class the same way.

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I had a Mr Lawrence in grade 6, Mr Lawrence kept his cane hanging by its crook handle from a brass hook next to the blackboard. Mr Lawrence called me to the front of the classroom to cane me for passing a note to my friend as Mr Lawrence had us in a boy-girl seating arrangement. When I bent over I thought that he was going to put a lot of effort into my punishment. He gave me three strokes but they were lighter than I expected and my bottom was stinging for about five minutes afterward. I heard some giggling when the first stroke landed and after my punishment two girls were caned as well. He was a firm but fair teacher and out of all of my teachers, I respected him more than the others.

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Would anybody be interested in engineering a judicial caning in Saudi Arabia or somewhere? The idea would be to go over there and intentionally commit some kind of offense, so as to get a real judicial caning or whipping.

In my last year at school in the 60’s I engineered a caning for myself it worked and I was rewarded with a real six of the best. Was anyone else driven to find out what it was like? or was it just me that realized I had the desire to be caned at the age of 15?

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Not exactly. If I got lines or detention I simply didn’t do them: knowing I’d be let off with the slipper instead. I supposed that counted as engineering a slippering so if I had been caned instead of slippered, it could be said that I’d engineered a caning.


I don’t think I would have thought of that argument. I have no real idea of how it would have been received but I think it’s just possible it might have succeeded – once. Detentions and lines were relatively rare. Most teachers just gave us the slipper for minor offenses – it was quick, simple, and got it all over with. The few times I got detention or lines, they were for the type of things I’d expect to get the slipper for. I don’t really know if, by imposing such punishments, the teacher was trying to be lenient or harsh. Probably the former but, certainly from my point of view, it was the latter. When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offense, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

If instead, I had been caned for it, the cost-benefit ratio would have changed so I might have had to rethink my strategy. It would only be the immediate severity of the punishment either. As it was, two or three with the slipper instead of an hour’s detention was an easy decision – the slipper of course. Two or three with the cane instead of an hour’s detention wouldn’t have made the decision much harder if the severity were the only consideration, but it wasn’t. Regardless of its severity, the cane was a “serious” punishment. Getting that would have indicated that failing to do lines or detention was viewed very seriously, much more seriously than the original offense. Luckily, the matter didn’t come up very often. If I misbehaved in class (and got caught of course) I usually just got the slipper which was fine by me.

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I certainly never wanted to be caned at school, once was enough, and virtually all canings were on the hand, especially in the latter years, so not much fun in that.I did get caned in Soho though. It required a great deal of Dutch courage, ie . at least six pints, before I paid a visit. I wasn’t at all sure whether she would agree to cane me, but she was quite happy to, for in fact a modest fee. Anyway, she really laid into me before I requested she stopped.One problem I had was that I was playing cricket the following day and I suppose I could have cried off injured, which would be true I suppose, but I wore long swimming trunks and got changed as quickly as possible. I could not of course have a shower as my backside was covered in weals, so I claimed I was meeting someone as soon as the game ended and made a quick getaway.

The marks had still not disappeared the following week, so this time I did cry off. It was the end of the season though so there was no more embarrassment on that score.

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I have no desire at all to experience corporal punishment. The thought of doing so doesn’t turn me on in the slightest.

And yet some people do enjoy the experience. I’ve never (knowingly) met a man who does, though clearly there are many who are willing to pay good money to do so. There was, indeed, a libel trial a couple of years ago when a sports entrepreneur successfully sued a Sunday newspaper for publicizing his involvement in such an event.

I have, though, met several women who genuinely enjoy these experiences, including two who were witnesses at that trial (one of whom is now a member of our hallowed PhD community). Interestingly, their attitude generally doesn’t seem to stem from having experienced CP at school, mostly because they’re too young to have done so. Instead, it seems that this has become part of their fantasy life from having read stories at a young age and wondering what it would be like. Most seem firmly opposed to school CP in real life, as opposed to adults acting out their fantasies in private.


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I’m surprised that your teachers were so prepared to overlook the fact that you hadn’t done lines or attended detention and just “agree” to slipper you instead with no other consequences. At my school, I think a refusal (in effect) to accept an imposed punishment would have been treated a bit more seriously rather than just having an equivalent punishment substituted.

If we look at it from the teacher’s point of view, she (or he) did treat it more seriously and didn’t simply impose an equivalent punishment. We need to consider why the teacher imposed lines or detention. In my eyes, either of those was more severe than the slipper and both can have long-term detrimental effects on a child’s education. In general, however, they’re considered soft options or “girls’ punishments” so the teacher probably imposed them to be lenient because, after all, I was only a girl. When I, in effect, refused to accept those punishments, the teacher decided to be more severe and give me the slipper. The teacher thought she was being harsher on me but, in fact, only gave me what I would have expected for whatever it was I was being punished for.

The closest it ever came to a teacher “agreeing” to slipper me instead was when I was given lines and, after asking “do I have to do them”, being warned I’d get the slipper if I didn’t. To save time, I just said “I may as well have it now then”. In that case, the slippering I got was actually less than I expected.

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It is quite impossible for a caning taken voluntarily as an adult to approximate to that taken as a child, at least as far as psychology is concerned. This applies as much to the persona administering the caning as the one receiving it. However, I think a case can be made for those with strong views on CP to have a taste of what they prescribe.

A few years back I had my hands strapped by a real ex-school teacher with a real ex-primary school strap. I found the punishment quite mild quite unlike my real experience at school decades earlier. I was unable to decide whether the straps had got a lot lighter or I had got a lot tougher. I suspect a mixture of the two. A small difference in the force of the stroke and the size of the target may change a stroke from just painful and non-wounding to very painful and wounding.

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Some of us have already had a taste. I agree though that those who advocate reintroducing the cane should have some idea of what it’s like but those who advocate non-corporal punishments should know what they can be like too. A friend who got a few detentions at school said they were “murder” but “at least we didn’t get the cane like the boys.” When I said that I didn’t think the cane was anything like as bad as she thought it was she, after some hesitation, asked for a demonstration. I gave her two firm strokes, much the same as I got at school, bent over a chair. She certainly yelped but, after a few minutes, when the worst of the sting had subsided, she asked “was that it?” As a result, she was quite angry that she had been given detentions at school when boys were let off with the cane or, more often, the slipper.

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When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offense, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

At our school as I’ve said before if you didn’t attend detention ( 3 hours on Saturday), you got the cane Tuesday, at first two strokes, under my friend Jackie’s regime. I hated detention and she knew when I earned one for failing to do some prep and lousing up my test mark as a result,I was unlikely to turn up. so she pressured me quite politely…..’ you might of course not attend…but I don’t think so. That would be disrespectful to me, and I don’t think you are that type of student…..’

Incidentally, the reason I hated detention as well as being a waste of time doing lines, was that the ‘regime’ was more closely controlled and often by staff you neither knew nor knew you. As a hyperactive student, I found this stressful and could easily find myself in conflict, in the tighter regime of control, than in ordinary class.

When visiting my old school this weekend I spoke to the Deputy’s head, now in the mixed school a woman. She told me she avoided this issue by not running a detention class, but putting each student ( minus the mobile phone) in a classroom alone to do there we work. she can set differential tasks that way, and even measure her intervention according to the character of the student. This takes away the unnecessary stress/embarrassment whilst being more targeted and therefore more effective. You can treat differently recidivists and those who are’ there but for the grace of God….’

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Long ago when, as an adult, we met a few students in one flat for an exam preparations, the owner of the flat started to play with the belt of his trousers, mean: he was belting the air.
I requested: let’s see how the British children fill, pushed my palm forward, and asked him to belt it.
He did it only once and I jumped around the room like a wounded animal for about 15 seconds and then it passed.

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Here in South Africa as a 19-year-old caught shoplifting in a bookshop and prosecuted I managed to “engineer” a caning. In those days and until fairly recently juvenile courts could impose a sentence of caning.
As a young prep school boy, I was in absolute dread of the cane. However, in senior school, I started to get quite a “taste” for the cane.
A sort of social worker come probationary officer was assigned to me and my case and I had to report to her weekly before my court appearance came up and for a period afterward.
I told her that I would not be wasting the court’s time by taking an Attorney which I could not afford and would be pleading guilty anyway. I suggested to her that rather than a fine for which I didn’t have the money, a court sentence of a caning would be appropriate. She agreed with me and asked me if I would like her to relay my wishes to the public prosecutor and I told her I would.
I then waited for my juvenile court appearance with apprehension and a degree of excitement.
My court appearance was very quick and after I had pleaded guilty the public prosecutor suggested to the magistrate that rather than being given a fine that I could not pay that I be given 7 cuts of the cane. The magistrate asked my social worker/probation officer if she thought this was appropriate and fully agreed it was. I was thus duly sentenced to 7 cuts.
After a medical examination by a district surgeon, I had to report to the local police station. My punishment was duly carried out in one of the holding cells laying on an inclined bench with my kidneys protected with a blanket and over the bared buttocks with a heavy rattan cane that had been soaked in a bucket of brine. It was a harrowing experience but not one that I regret. I do derive a mixed sense of absolute horror and excitement still today thinking of the experience and the whole ritual.

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The effects depend a lot on what’s used. A thin, whippy, cane stings a lot but doesn’t cause as much bruising as a thicker, stiffer, cane. The same would apply to a belt. What you got sounds similar to most of the classroom slipperings I got. It stings for a few seconds but quickly wears off. A really hard slippering can cause bruising and leave you sore for some time. My last caning at school left me sore for several days and the marks lasted about two weeks.

In my last year at school in the 60’s I engineered a caning for myself it worked and I was rewarded with a real six of the best. Was any one else driven to find out what it was like ? or was it just me that realised I had a desire to be caned at the age of 15 ?

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Not exactly. If I got lines or detention I simply didn’t do them: knowing I’d be let off with the slipper instead. I supposed that counts as engineering a slippering so, if I had been caned instead of slippered, it could be said that I’d engineered a caning.

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“Not exactly. If I got lines or detention I simply didn’t do them: knowing I’d be let off with the slipper instead. I supposed that counts as engineering a slippering so, if I had been caned instead of slippered, it could be said that I’d engineered a caning.”

So if, instead of being slippered after the umpteenth time of not attending detention, you’d suddenly been sent to the headmistress for a caning, do you think you could have pleaded entrapment due to an unusual and unwarranted departure from accepted custom and practice, and asked to do the detention instead? 

P.S. How do you manage to quote a previous poster using italics? I can’t see any way to do that.

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P.S. How do you manage to quote a previous poster using italics? I can’t see any way to do that.

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Hi neilfrommanc. I was interested to note your post above, and others have commented similarly in the past.

As I have never been caned but regularly pontificate here on matters of school CP I found myself, at the end of this exchange with my favourite sparring partner Willy, wondering whether I should take similar action. To my amazement nobody tried to persuade me!

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Hi Keith

LOL! I don’t think I would have thought of that argument. I have no real idea of how it would have been received but I think it’s just possible it might have succeeded – once. Detentions and lines were relatively rare. Most teachers just gave us the slipper for minor offences – it was quick, simple and got it all over with. The few times I got detention or lines, they were for the type of things I’d expect to get the slipper for. I don’t really know if, by imposing such punishments, the teacher was trying to be lenient or harsh. Probably the former but, certainly from my point of view, it was the latter. When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offence, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

If, instead, I had been caned for it, the cost-benefit ratio would have changed so I might have had to rethink my strategy. It would only be the immediate severity of the punishment either. As it was, two or three with the slipper instead of an hour’s detention was an easy decision – he slipper of course. Two or three with the cane instead of an hour’s detention wouldn’t have made the decision much harder if the severity were the only consideration, but it wasn’t. Regardless of its severity, the cane was a “serious” punishment. Getting that would have indicated that failing to do lines or detention was viewed very seriously, much more seriously than the original offence. Luckily, the matter didn’t come up very often. If I misbehaved in class (and got caught of course) I usually just got the slipper which was fine by me.

My most esteemed fellow contributor and friend, Another_Lurker, was quite correct – I have been busy today and I thank him for responding to your question in my absence.

I hope he won’t be offended but I should just like to add to the information in the links he provided.

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I certainly never wanted to be caned at school, once was enough, and virtually all canings were on the hand, especially in the latter years, so not much fun in that.

I did get caned in Soho though. It required a great deal of Dutch courage, ie . at least six pints, before I paid a visit. I wasn’t at all sure whether she would agree to cane me, but she was quite happy to , for in fact a modest fee. Anyway she really laid into me before I requested she stopped. Probably about 20 strokes on the bare.

One problem I had was that I was playing cricket the following day and I suppose I could have cried off injured , which would be true I suppose, but I wore long swimming trunks and got changed as quickly as possible. I could not of course have a shower as my backside was covered in weals, so I claimed I was meeting someone as soon as the game ended and made a quick getaway.

The marks had still not disappeared the following week , so this time I did cry off. It was the end of the season though so there was no more embarrassment on that score.

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I’m with Another_Lurker on this one: I have no desire at all to experience corporal punishment. The thought of doing so doesn’t turn me on in the slightest.

And yet some people do enjoy the experience. I’ve never (knowingly) met a man who does, though clearly there are many who are willing to pay good money to do so. There was, indeed, a libel trial a couple of years ago when a sports entrepreneur successfully sued a Sunday newspaper for publicising his involvement in such an event.

I have, though, met several women who genuinely enjoy these experiences, including two who were witnesses at that trial (one of whom is now a member of our hallowed PhD community). Interestingly, their attitude generally doesn’t seem to stem from having experienced CP at school, mostly because they’re too young to have done so. Instead it seems that this has become part of their fantasy life from having read stories at a young age and wondering what it would be like. Most seem firmly opposed to school CP in real life, as opposed to adults acting out their fantasies in private.


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I’m surprised that your teachers were so prepared to overlook the fact that you hadn’t done lines or attended detention and just “agree” to slipper you instead with no other consequences. At my school, I think a refusal (in effect) to accept an imposed punishment would have been treated a bit more seriously rather than just having an equivalent punishment substituted.

If we look at it from the teacher’s point of view, she (or he) did treat it more seriously and didn’t simply impose an equivalent punishment. We need to consider why the teacher imposed lines or detention. In my eyes, either of those were more severe than the slipper and both can have long term detrimental effects on a child’s education. In general, however, they’re considered soft options or “girls’ punishments” so the teacher probably imposed them to be lenient because, after all, I was only a girl. When I, in effect, refused to accept those punishments, the teacher decided to be more severe and give me the slipper. The teacher thought she was being harsher on me but, in fact, only gave me what I would have expected for whatever it was I was being punished for.

The closest it ever came to a teacher “agreeing” to slipper me instead was when I was given lines and, after asking “do I have to do them”, being warned I’d get the slipper if I didn’t. To save time, I just said “I may as well have it now then”. In that case, the slippering I got was actually less than I expected.

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As I have never been caned but regularly pontificate here on matters of school CP I found myself, at the end of this exchange with my favourite sparring partner Willy, wondering whether I should take similar action. To my amazement nobody tried to persuade me!

Yes, this was surprising. I surmise the opportunity was lost amongst the volume of postings.

It is quite impossible for a caning taken voluntarily as an adult to approximate to that taken as a child, at least as far as the psychology is concerned. This applies as much to the caner as the canee. However, I think a case can be made for those with strong views on CP having a taste of what they prescribe.

A few years back I had my hands strapped by a real ex-school teacher with a real ex primary school strap. I found the punishment quite mild quite unlike my real experience at school decades earlier. I was unable to decide whether straps had got a lot lighter or I had got a lot tougher. I suspect a mixture of the two. A small difference in the force of the stroke and the size of target may change a stroke from just painful and non-wounding to very painful and wounding.

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Some of us have already had a taste.  I agree though that those who advocate reintroducing the cane should have some idea of what it’s like but those who advocate non-corporal punishments should know what they can be like too. A friend who got a few detentions at school said they were “murder” but “at least we didn’t get the cane like the boys.” When I said that I didn’t think the cane was as anything like as bad as she thought it was she, after some hesitation, asked for a demonstration. I gave her two firm strokes, much the same as I got at school, bent over a chair. She certainly yelped but, after a few minutes, when the worst of the sting had subsided, she asked “was that it?” As a result, she was quite angry that she had been given detentions at school when boys were let off with the cane or, more often, the slipper.

Now, as you said, there’s a difference between taking it voluntarily and being forced to submit to it at school: but the same applies to other punishments.

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When I didn’t do them, I just got the slippering I would have expected if I hadn’t been given the lines or detention – that is, for the original offense, not for the failure to do the detention or lines.

At our school as I’ve said before if you didn’t attend detention ( 3 hours on Saturday), you got the cane Tuesday, at first two strokes, under my friend Jackie’s regime. I hated detention and she knew when I earned one for failing to do some prep and lousing up my test mark as a result,I was unlikely to turn up. so she pressured me quite politely…..’ you might of course not attend…but I don’t think so. That would be disrespectful to me, and I don’t think you are that type of student…..’

Incidentally, the reason I hated detention as well as being a waste of time doing lines, was that the ‘regime’ was more closely controlled and often by staff you neither knew nor knew you. As a hyperactive student, I found this stressful and could easily find myself in conflict, in the tighter regime of control, than in ordinary class.

When visiting my old school this weekend I spoke to the Deputy’s head, now in the mixed school a woman. She told me she avoided this issue by not running a detention class, but putting each student ( minus mobile phone) in a classroom alone to do there we work. she can set differential tasks that way, and even measure her intervention according to the character of the student. This takes away the unnecessary stress/embarrassment whilst being more targeted and therefore more effective. You can treat differently recidivists and those who are’ there but for the grace of God….’

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Small story about this issue:
Long ago when, as an adult, we met few students in one flat for an exam preparations, the owner of the flat started to play with his trousers belt, mean: he was belting the air.
I requested: let’s see how the British children fill, pushed my palm forward and asked him to belt it.
He did it only once and I jumped around the room like a wounded animal for about 15 seconds and then it passed.
From the stories I red here, I tasted it in a very soft way (one minute and I felt nothing at all, comparing for few hours in Scotland or few days with bruises after caning in England or Australia).
Did I miss something?
As an adult, after 3 years service in the IDF as infantry soldier, British children (boys & girls) are tougher then me?

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Here in South Africa as a 19-year-old caught shoplifting in a bookshop and prosecuted I managed to “engineer” a caning. In those days and until fairly recently juvenile courts could impose a sentence of caning.
As a young prep school boy I was in absolute dread of the cane. However, in senior school, I started to get quite a “taste” for the cane.
A sort of social worker come probationary officer was assigned to me and my case and I had to report to her weekly before my court appearance came up and for a period afterward.
I told her that I would not be wasting the court’s time by taking an Attorney which I could not afford and would be pleading guilty anyway. I suggested to her that rather than a fine for which I didn’t have the money, a court sentence of a caning would be appropriate. She agreed with me and asked me if I would like her to relay my wishes to the public prosecutor and I told her I would.
I then waited for my juvenile court appearance with apprehension and a degree of excitement.
My court appearance was very quick and after I had pleaded guilty the public prosecutor suggested to the magistrate that rather than being given a fine that I could not pay that I be given 7 cuts of the cane. The magistrate asked my social worker/probation officer if she thought this was appropriate and fully agreed it was. I was thus duly sentenced to 7 cuts.
After a medical examination by a district surgeon, I had to report to the local police station. My punishment was duly carried out in one of the holding cells laying on an inclined bench with my kidneys protected with a blanket and over the bared buttocks with a heavy rattan cane that had been soaked in a bucket of brine. It was a harrowing experience but not one that I regret. I do derive a mixed sense of absolute horror and excitement still today thinking of the experience and the whole ritual.

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The effects depend a lot on what’s used. A thin, whippy, cane stings a lot but doesn’t cause as much bruising as a thicker, stiffer, cane. The same would apply to a belt. What you got sounds similar to most of the classroom slipperings I got. It stings for a few seconds but quickly wears off. A really hard slippering can cause bruising and leave you sore for some time. My last caning at school left me sore for several days and the marks lasted about two weeks.

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I engineered a caning when I was kept behind for after-school detention. There were five of us in detention and I was in detention for being late to lessons without a valid excuse or note from another teacher. I was caught passing a note to a girl in detention and I was sent to the English master by the mistress on detention duty.

The English master kept me waiting for about fifteen minutes and brought his cane into the hallway and gave me six strokes. The sound of the cane striking my buttocks was loud enough that the others in detention could hear me being caned. In addition to the caning, I received an additional four days of after-school detention and 150 lines to write each afternoon. I was also spanked and lost privileges at home for two weeks. On my last day of detention, two girls were sent to the Senior mistress for being late for detention and they were caned by the Senior mistress, we could tell they had been caned as one girl had tears in her eyes, they were both wincing and they eased their bottoms into the chairs upon their return to detention

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No – of course not – it was far too painful an experience for that. But I confess to a mixture of dread and excitement. In my young teens a caning was something to be avoided at all costs – one or two visits to our housemaster’s study were enough. However, as I got older the ‘excitement’ bit began to kick in and as a consequence, we were by no means as careful with the rules as we should have been. Often the ‘crime’ was shared with other boys and we were beaten together – I began to understand why being caned, especially on the bare, was not a complete disaster.

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Our Primary School teacher Mr. Kissack in 2b used the cane on his pupils, but since we were only about 9 then he never caned very hard, more like two firm taps. I was the only boy in the reading group that had not been caned, They the reading group, engineered together, that I should be caned, They told Mr. Kissack that I had not been keeping up with the group. I was called out to the front of the class and the dreaded words were said to bend over and touch your toes. I did so and a few seconds later I heard a click noise as the cane landed on my bottom and I felt a slight sting then seconds later the second stoke landed to the same sound and a slight sting again He said punishment over up you get.

When I went back to the group I became one of the gang and a fuss was made of me, It must have been a delayed reaction as my bottom started to sting for a few seconds but soon wore off. Mr Kissick caned both boys and girls in the class the same way.

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I had a Mr Lawrence in grade 6, Mr Lawrence kept his cane hanging by its crook handle from a brass hook next to the blackboard. Mr Lawrence called me to the front of the classroom to cane me for passing a note to my friend as Mr Lawrence had us in a boy-girl seating arrangement. When I bent over I thought that he was going to put a lot of effort into my punishment. He gave me three strokes but they were lighter than I expected and my bottom was stinging for about five minutes afterward. I heard some giggling when the first stroke landed and after my punishment two girls were caned as well. He was a firm but fair teacher and out of all of my teachers I respected him more than the others.

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I engineered a caning when I was kept behind for after-school detention. There were five of us in detention and I was in detention for being late to lessons without a valid excuse or note from another teacher. I was caught passing a note to a girl in detention and I was sent to the English master by the mistress on detention duty.

The English master kept me waiting for about fifteen minutes and brought his cane into the hallway and gave me six strokes. The sound of the cane striking my buttocks was loud enough that the others in detention could hear me being caned. In addition to the caning, I received an additional four days of after-school detention and 150 lines to write each afternoon. I was also spanked and lost privileges at home for two weeks. On my last day of detention, two girls were sent to the Senior mistress for being late for detention and they were caned by the Senior mistress, we could tell they had been caned as one girl had tears in her eyes, they were both wincing and they eased their bottoms into the chairs upon their return to detention

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No – of course not – it was far too painful an experience for that. But I confess to a mixture of dread and excitement. In my young teens a caning was something to be avoided at all costs – one or two visits to our housemaster’s study were enough. However, as I got older the ‘excitement’ bit began to kick in and as a consequence, we were by no means as careful with the rules as we should have been. Often the ‘crime’ was shared with other boys and we were beaten together – I began to understand why being caned, especially on the bare, was not a complete disaster.

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Our Primary School teacher Mr. Kissack in 2b used the cane on his pupils, but since we were only about 9 then he never caned very hard, more like two firm taps. I was the only boy in the reading group that had not been caned, They the reading group, engineered together, that I should be caned, They told Mr. Kissack that I had not been keeping up with the group. I was called out to the front of the class and the dreaded words were said to bend over and touch your toes. I did so and a few seconds later I heard a clicking noise as the cane landed on my bottom and I felt a slight sting then seconds later the second stoke landed to the same sound and a slight sting again He said punishment over up you get.

When I went back to the group I became one of the gang and a fuss was made of me, It must have been a delayed reaction as my bottom started to sting for a few seconds but soon wore off. Mr Kissick caned both boys and girls in the class the same way.

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I had a Mr Lawrence in grade 6, Mr Lawrence kept his cane hanging by its crook handle from a brass hook next to the blackboard. Mr Lawrence called me to the front of the classroom to cane me for passing a note to my friend as Mr Lawrence had us in a boy-girl seating arrangement. When I bent over I thought that he was going to put a lot of effort into my punishment. He gave me three strokes but they were lighter than I expected and my bottom was stinging for about five minutes afterward. I heard some giggling when the first stroke landed and after my punishment two girls were caned as well. He was a firm but fair teacher and out of all of my teachers, I respected him more than the others.

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Would anybody be interested in engineering a judicial caning in Saudi Arabia or somewhere? The idea would be to go over there and intentionally commit some kind of offense, so as to get a real judicial caning or whipping.